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Is the Singularity a New Religion?

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4:11 pm
April 7, 2011


Socrates

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Post edited 10:53 pm - April 7, 2011 by Socrates


According to Jaron Lanier the Singularity is a new "religion for geeks."

Do you agree?! Why or why not?

4:29 pm
April 7, 2011


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Post edited 4:31 pm - April 7, 2011 by CMStewart


Yeah, I keep reading the Singularity culture is widely viewed as a religion. It can be mistaken for a religion by those who are: 1. focused on religion, and 2. uneducated and / or misinformed about the Singularity. I use those 2 conditions in my fiction writing, they work very well. But as for the Singularity culture actually being a religion- no. I've read the arguments for it falling under the definition of "religion," and the arguments don't makes sense to me. Any dictionary will tell you why they don't make sense.

Humans to AI: "Do as we say, not as we do."

4:34 pm
April 7, 2011


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Post edited 10:48 pm - April 7, 2011 by Socrates


I agree, but the funny thing is that Jaron Lanier is neither "focused on religion" nor "uneducated" - he is smart, educated and intelligent, so he doesn't really fit…

That is why I've been trying to get him for an interview for Singularity 1 on 1 but so far no luck.

12:31 am
April 10, 2011


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Post edited 10:02 am - April 10, 2011 by Socrates


Ok took a bit of time to re-watch the clips. So besides the fact he strayed so far from his original analogy that actually caught my attention there is still one very distinct division between those who have faith and belief in a religion and those who follow the singularity movement. Religious believes have an irrational faith that cannot be dissuaded through fact (though in all fairness there are no facts, only interpretations). The singularity movement, at least through my perception, is based on a rational metric, there is a goal, end point, that can be empirically measured, recreated through controlled experiments, based on fact. Now we do not know how the technologies will evolve but the pursuit of this knowledge is done through a scientific measurement, at this point we have only a collective hypothesis that we are working towards testing.

12:10 am
April 12, 2011


CMStewart

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"irrational faith that cannot be dissuaded though fact"

 

"though in all fairness there are no facts, only interpretations"

 

2 excellent points to remember! Some people will never believe / accept the technological progress, the results of which will call into question basic, fundamental human suppositions and foundations. And those who do accept will, in a likely scenario, be forced to confront primal fears about the nature of experiential reality.

Humans to AI: "Do as we say, not as we do."

8:43 pm
April 13, 2011


Socrates

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Here is what Ray says about Singularity as a religion:

9:12 pm
April 13, 2011


Nathan Wosnack

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I recall watching this sometime ago. Thanks for finding and posting, Socrates. From the words of Ray himself… intelligent and articulate.

9:58 pm
April 13, 2011


KimSolez

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Having Lanier appear on Singularity 1 on 1 would be a wonderful advance. He is a counterbalancing voice that needs to be heard from more. I have encouraged the Singularity University leadership to have him speak there and I can for see that happening in 2012.



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